Salt water as fuel? Burning hydrogen with radio waves? It's true
Salt water as fuel? Not exactly, but kinda. John Kanzius discovered that by focusing certain radio-frequencies on a test tube of salt water, he could ignite the contents, which would them become hot enough to melt the test tube. The process has been independently verified by Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist. According to Roy, what is actually happening is the hydrogen is being separated from the salt water and ignited. As long as the water is bombarded with the radio-frequency, it continues to burn after being ignited. This could be a possible breakthrough, depending on how much energy it takes to separate the hydrogen from the water compared to how much hydrogen can be extracted.Additional research will be necessary into this discovery. The effect was actually discovered while Kanzius was researching heated nanoparticles as part of a novel cancer treatment. So, really, not all accidents are bad, huh? According to our source article, Dr. Roy will be meeting with officials from the DOE and DOD to discuss the discovery and to seek funding for further research. We'll see where it goes from there.
[Source: Post Gazette, thanks for the tip Aaron!]
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Dan Roatcap 12:19PM (4/29/2008)
Very interesting observations by many here. What I want to know is, what is happening to soluble minerals (calcite, nitrate etc) by these micro waves?
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Frank_texas 6:53PM (4/30/2008)
If this guy wants to really help our planet wich is in peril, why does he not share his findings?. Instead wants to make himself rich. If he really wants to find a way to cure cancer, share your findings so other people can do reasearch too. Improve your planet and "humans" that live in it. Good luck gettiing rich.
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Anonymous 5:01PM (5/17/2008)
The idea is not that this creates energy. The hydrogen gas produced is a store of energy, which can be produced from green power. It's the same story with oil, except that the energy was already put into it a loooong time ago by natural forces.
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Larry Robinson 12:08PM (6/16/2008)
Two points:
1. Since water dissociates into H+ and OH- ions, and salt dissociates into Na+ and Cl- ions, the other gas is probably chlorine, not oxygen.
2. Chlorine and hydrogen burn to produce hydrogen chloride. Chlorine and HCl are poisonous.
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The law of termodinamics only work on close systems 12:20PM (9/05/2008)
The law of termodinamics only work on close systems, and in order of TODAY QUANTUM PHISICS, w know a system is so close as we know.....
COULD SOMEBODY TELL US THE FREQUENCY USED TO BURN SALTED WATER???
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carwaterguide.blogspot.com 6:29PM (11/18/2008)
I'm excitedly waiting all the changes in technology and availability of vehicles in the near future!!!
http://carwaterguide.blogspot.com
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Ulrich Sackstedt 12:52PM (3/15/2009)
Even if not all is truly measured at that time these things (like Browns Gas as well) should be given more notice, i.e. money for research. With money so much silly things are being done now - why not expend it for intelligent things that bring us ahead...?
Late Nikola Tesla had to fail as his "generous" banker stopped the money. You know why?
Ulrich Sackstedt, author
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KingRollo 5:24AM (6/19/2009)
http://www.goldenmean.info/goldenproof
The THREE known GOLDEN RATIO radii of HYDROGEN - actually are a PERFECT MULTIPLE of GOLDEN RATIO times the PLANCK LENGTH (to within about 1/1000 accuracy)
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So - our international-research team- on the- Frequency Keys- to Hydrolysis & Hydrogen- just came up with HOW - the famous KANSIUS ('Can Water Fuel the World!) - got his frequency key to split hydrogen. He took the known sputtering frequency of Palladium (phase conjugate/ PGM!) - 13.56 Mhz. He found out that this radically reduced the power needed to split hydrogen from water. Even the noble Rustum Roy - quickly realized this was the end of Earth's energy crisis. (Check the films and links- water IS power- when you can directly ring out the hydrogen).
Good luck and GODSPEED!!!
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Keith Wakeham 5:08PM (9/10/2007)
I'm sure the first and second laws of thermodynamics will prove that it takes more energy to do that than you get out.
It would be so much easier to combat this whole global warming thing if scientists would just invent some magic already
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Chris M 5:42PM (9/10/2007)
The video of the Kanzius discovery showed a vivid yellow "flame", indicating light from energized sodium ions. Hydrogen burns clear, with little or no light produced.
Bombarded by intense radio waves, the salt water comes to a boil producing a spray of salt water, which then provides a conductive path for RF arcing, similar to arcing from a tesla coil.
Yes, it still obeys the laws of thermodynamics. The energy input via RF waves is greater than the energy out in the form of usable heat and light.
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Tim 5:52PM (9/10/2007)
Heresy! Heresy! The world is flat and is the center of all things! Sickness comes from the devil! Man cannot fly! He cannot go faster than sound! The moon is made out of cheese! Man can never go there! The laws of thermodynamics first contemplated from horse and buggy in the 1800s are complete and correct. Heresy I say!!!! We know everything! Close the patent office. It is a waste of taxpayer money as all things have already been invented.
If a new form of energy is discovered that competes with the status quo powerbase, don’t worry as the DOD or established scientific community fossils will quickly kill it. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
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Jeremy Korzeniewski 5:54PM (9/10/2007)
Those pesky laws!
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MarkR 5:57PM (9/10/2007)
if your interested here is a link to the youtube.com video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6vSxR6UKFM
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rgseidl 6:56PM (9/10/2007)
Water is burnt hydrogen. The reason there's so much of it is because there's no energy left to extract. If you want to split it, you need to invest soem other form of energy, yielding hydrogen as the useful energy *carrier*.
Why is that so hard for ABG to understand? Please stop wasting your reader's time with these perpetual motion machine BS stories.
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Chris M 6:58PM (9/10/2007)
Yes, reality does have a way of striking back at those who would rather live in a dreamworld.
Fact is, to trigger the "Kanzius effect" requires a very intense beam of radio frequency waves, and it requires a lot of electrical power to generate that beam. Lower intensity won't do it. The output is a little flickering yellow light and just enough heat to run a pretty toy stirling engine. Power input greatly exceeds power output, and all the rants about "Heresy" and "flat earth" won't change that.
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Paul 6:59PM (9/10/2007)
Wow, he invented a microwave!! Imagine the possibilities! I bet you could even cook food with that thing.
This really does go to show the degree of wishful thinking there is out there. I'm about 90% sure that Chris M is right. My only question is why the water in the tube goes nuts while the water in his hand doesn't. Perhaps a greater wavelength is required to excite the H20 based on the salinity? I certainly don't know, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to find out from this particular Chemistry professor at Penn State...that doesn't look much like a hydrogen flame to me.
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Bill 9:22PM (9/10/2007)
Yep, your patient bursting into flames is pretty "novel"
>"part of a novel cancer treatment"
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Chris M 10:03PM (9/10/2007)
Paul, that puzzled me, too, until I realized that the test tube filled with conductive salt water may be just the right size and shape to act as a simple dipole antenna, greatly improving the absorbtion of the radio waves.
Needless to say, if the process had somehow produced H2 and O2 gas, Mr. Kanzius would have been in a world of hurt when he stuck his hand in the beam!
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warren hall 3:33AM (9/11/2007)
I doubt this will be the end of all fossil related tech.
But just like a Hybrid system uses a motor and electric to better mileage. Couldn't this be used as something in conjuction with other technologies to improve mileage?
like a plug-in hybrid with hydrogen generator?
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studemax 9:44AM (9/11/2007)
Takes more power to run the microwave than the heat of the flame will produce - this idea is no better than ethanol.
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