Austin Alt Car: obscene amount of information on the smart grid and plug-in vehicles

Gridpoint's Steve Hauser
The overwhelming theme of the discussion panels at the Austin Alt Car expo last weekend was plug-in vehicles. From questions of infrastructure to the vehicles themselves to the grid load, the weekend served as a crash course in the state of the PHEV industry. Throughout
We'll start with the technical panel on infrastructure. This event featured Steve Hauser, from Gridpoint, David Kaplan, who's worked with Microsoft and other tech companies as well as Gridpoint and V2Green (V2Green is partnering with Austin Energy on the smart grid test), and Richard Lowernthal of Coulomb Technologies. Follow us past the jump for the details.
Gridpoint is one of the companies working to make the Smart Grid a reality and is part of the GridWise Alliance. Hauser said Gridwise's strategy is to let customers know what the value of electricity is at any given time. To do that, utilities need to be able to monitor what the grid is doing - from the plant down to the car - and be able to control the grid accordingly. Wind power, for example has a lot of promise, but the on-and-off nature of the source means it doesn't give utilities a lot of power to control the grid. PHEVs with lots of batteries available to store the energy truly extends wind energy's potential in the smart grid. Still, expanding the platform is "not an easy thing to do."
The vehicles have to be charged anyway, let's charge them in a way that's optimized for the grid.
David Kaplan explained that V2Green and Gridpoint had developed very compatible systems - Gridpoint with a broad horizontal services platform that dealt with PHEVs and V2Green with a platform focused on the vehicles - and the two companies are currently in the process of integrating V2G's wireless vehicle interface with GridPoint's overall Smart Grid system. The reason is pretty self-explanatory: "The vehicles have to be charged anyway, let's charge them in a way that's optimized for the grid," he said. It's also imperative to get utilities to talk to each other. Once plug-in vehicles are widely available, for the first time, there will be a large amount of "disconnected load" in the energy grid, and these load carriers (i.e., your PHEV) will move between utility coverage areas. It doesn't make sense to have a car that can't communicate with the grid if you drive to the neighboring county or town. To build this compatible network, we need a robust web/computer-based system, he said. With all of the political and consumer pressure for cleaner energy, there is a big benefit to a utility what moves into the Smart Grid: reduced grid stress and faster penetration of renewable energy, he said. Drivers and automakers also win. Vehicle owners gain a low-cost energy source for their vehicle, which is now also a greener vehicle. This is also the main benefit to the vehicle manufacturer: a greener product line.
Coulomb Technologies builds smart charging stations and so Richard Lowenthal knows something about the practical issues regarding these stations. Currently, he said, the U.S. has about five times as many vehicles as garages (247 million cars, 53 million garages), so figuring out how to plug cars in outside, on the street is a big challenge. He talked about J1772 plugs, how the cord is locked in in such a way to prevent anyone without the right wireless fob from removing it, and the potential of DC charging (give a listen to the audio clip for details) and one interesting tidbit he mentioned that I hadn't thought about before was that the stations need to be designed so that no energy flows through the wire until the station senses that the connections have been made in order to be totally safe if you plug in your car when it's raining.
Lowenthal picked up on something that Hauser said, that utilities and consumers will be in much better control of the flow of electricity with a Smart Grid and with PHEVs. He gave three examples of potential energy "Demand Response" plans you could buy when everything is hooked up and working:
- The Off peak plan - which would mean no charging for your car from noon until 6 p.m.
- The demand response plan, which would disable your car charging when the grid nears capacity. A lot of peopel choosing this plan would help utilities avoid increasing the load capability (i.e., building new plants)
- The 24/7 "glutton" plan, which disables charging only when there is a grid crisis
I assume these would be in increasing cost. In each case, the "grid response" might last only a few minutes and would be in the hands of the grid operators; this would give utilities tremendous power over their network that they currently don't have.
A second and very similar session was titled Utility Issues & Opportunities followed the Infrastructure one, and there will be a post on that coming soon. if you think this hasn't been an obscene amount of PHEV info, fair enough. But stay tuned for the complete series, including a debate on whether customers will buy in to PHEVs and on the future prospects for plug-ins.
Listen in (48 min):
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Fre 5:17AM (10/26/2008)
The piece of sound is not clickable.
Is this only @ my pc?
Reply
Sebastian 12:09PM (10/26/2008)
Fre - it works on the systems I've tested it on, so it's probably on your end. Try installing the latest flash player.
Cor van de Water 1:13PM (10/26/2008)
And yet again we are faced with needless complex systems where today every building in the USA has outdoor wall outlets that are simply protected by a GCFI and used by millions of people and before you say that the vehicles need more power - yes, so do RVs, yet every RV campground has simple plugs, the same type as for your stove and clothes drier.
Why do you want to design a fool-proof system that will cost millions extra to do something that we already have, just because it now happens to be connected to a car? What is a car different than a grass mower that you think you need to spend hundreds of dollars in unnecessary cost for a car plug while you plug the mower into the wall outlet on your house?
I don't get it, unless this is again a move to make plug-in more difficult than necessary as we have seen so often.
Please KISS: Keep It Stupid Simple, then it will happen.
Reply
rayNineteen 12:34PM (12/06/2008)
Actually I'm getting exactly the opposite message from this post-- that smart planning *now* will avoid needless complication and incompatibility years down the road.
RVs and power tools and outdoor washers & dryers only use power for anywhere from 30 min to a few hours at a time, while even a 40-mile-range Chevy Volt will require *6* hours of charging for a low battery. (And we're not even talking about Nissan & Tesla's 100-to-200-mile batteres)
As I read the post, the complexity will all happen behind the scenes, rather like a credit-card transaction at your local store, which is a very simple operation on the customer side, but certainly involves huge nationwide computing & communications & database processing behind the scenes.
Nothing wrong with a little advance planning.
Reply