LA 2008: HH2 display is downstairs, folks
The tireless promoters of the HH2 hydrogen system are in the basement of the LA Convention Center this week, not too far from the Intimate EV. Four vehicles, only one that was actually outfitted with the HH2 materials, are sitting in the tuner hall awaiting visitors. If you go, you'll be full in the mix of information and told that the system costs just $500 $899 and can be installed in any vehicle built after 1960 (and even some previous cars). There are also clip art posters of the Twin-H Hydrogen Power device. In fact, visiting the booth is kind of like looking at the company's website. A lot of all caps, a few typos, and plenty of claims of incredible benefits from putting a little water into a box under your hood. We won't repeat ourselves in full, but will say again that these systems don't work. Instead of visiting, it's perhaps a bit safer to check out the claims in our gallery below.
UPDATE: The proprietors of the HH2 booth have issued a response to this post. Read it below.
Gallery: LA 2008: HH2 booth
Response from Dr. Derek Zupancic, CEO HydrolectricPower LLC:
We are HH2 a totally different technology that is safe and really works very well.
We create Hydrogen and Oxygen from water, but, each is created separately from each other and never combine to form the explosive gas HHO or Browns gas. HHO is classified as an explosive.
Whom did you speak with at the show, can you please describe this person, we never have had a price on any HH2 units less then $899.00 retail.
Our units were tested and we have been given a California Air Resources Board Executive Order D-643, the only UNIVERSAL order issued for the HH2 Hydrogen Generator Clean Air Combustion System.
Our devices do work and work very well, as they are designed to remove toxins, particulate matter and other poisons from automobile gasoline and diesel engines by incinerating all fuel in the combustion chamber at a burn temperature of 3000 degrees.
We never make a MPG claim, though we improve fuel economy, we do claim cleaner fresh air exhaust from ICE vehicles with our system. We get power and performance increases and Hydrogen removes carbon from the vehicles engine, cat converter and exhaust systems. We only show MPG related to actual vehicle tests and reports from customers as to any improvements, we also have a disclaimer label we put on vehicles and at the bottom of our pass out paper at the show.
Our system is NOT a HHO explosive system that you see on the web and in popular mechanics, the State of California would never approve a rolling bomb installed in a Soccer Mom's car with 6 kids in it.
Our system is very unique in its method of electrolysis, construction, function and it uses a little of the unused electrical energy from the battery, we do not take power from the engine, only some of the surplus power.
The HH2 device separates Hydrogen and Oxygen gases from distilled water, and each gas is released separated from each other and they are never combined to form the deadly HHO or Browns Gas.
We induce the Hydrogen by itself into the air cleaner box, it binds with incoming air of which 78% is nitrogen, and when the Hydrogen binds with the Nitrogen it enters the intake for the engine as a catalyst, rather than a fuel source, HHO systems attempt to use Hydrogen as a fuel substitute, we do not.
We even take the Oxygen gas and induct it into some of the vehicles, but, only after the Hydrogen and Nitrogen are in the air intake system, the Nitrogen prevents the Oxygen from combining to form HHO gases.
We were greatly offended by your statements as you never spoke with myself or any directors of the company. I really can prove everything we say, we have tests that show little or no exhaust pollution discharges, the exhaust smells like warm moist air, fuel economy is averaging around 35 to 40% savings, we work with gasoline and diesel and we are the only company approved by CARB for sale in California.
CARB is the worlds toughest agency in regard to emissions and pollution, and once we have CARB approval we are accepted worldwide by countries and states as they accept the CARB E.O. number D-643 that we are required to place on all units and attach the same number to the underside of the hood of the vehicle it is installed in. Also, only professional installation is allowed, and when a certified installation is completed, the buyer may apply for tax credits for the cost and installation of the devices through the Internal Revenue Service using form 8911 when they are filing their tax returns.
It may be possible that someone other than one of our staff spoke with you, I have asked everyone that was working in our booth, and every person stated they never told anyone a $500.00 price.
It would be my pleasure to show you our system and how it works. Even our competition has purchased our system (water4gas) and had huge success in a cross country trip experiencing little or no emissions and MPG in the 60 to 70 mpg range, saving 50% on their fuel bill going to the HHOGames in Florida.
Posts on the HHOGames website state our product is one of the best they have ever seen.
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
gorr 3:21PM (11/21/2008)
They are messing with the carburation ( or injection system if you want ) system that feed normal gasoline ice engine with liquid gosoline. They don't know first how a normal computerized modern gasoline ice engine works and then they change the fueling system with a second different fuel called hho gas. They didn't adapt the engine to use this new fuel and this is why it work bad and even it can kill the engine fast. If they re-program the carburation system and monitor how much hho gas is entering the engine at all time then they can go to 100% hho like d.dingel do in phillipine since 1968, LOL.
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GoodCheer 4:51PM (11/21/2008)
gorr: Isn't this the system you've been trying to promote? So are you saying that the claims made by HH2-Systems are fraudulent, but that's only because they don't know how to do it right? I would think you would be defending this company.
Also: There is a name for the chemical compound composed of one oxygen atom bonded to two hydrogen atoms. It's water. It can exist as a gas. When it is a gas it's called water vapor.
Chris M 1:20AM (11/22/2008)
What you refer to as "HHO" is just 2 parts H2 hydrogen and 1 part O2 oxygen.
The electrolyzers these guys are using don't put out nearly enough electrolysis gas to power the vehicle, just enough to displace some air, allowing use of less fuel while keeping the same air/fuel ratio. The result is better fuel economy but less power.
If they tried to run their vehicle on nothing but electrolyzer gas made onboard, the electrolyzer would require a lot more power - 14 times the total power output of the engine!
Sorry, but all those "water cars" are simple ordinary frauds.
Derek 1:29PM (11/23/2008)
The poster has no clue as to the HH2 Hydrogen systems, this is NOT HHO Gas, this is straight Hydrogen induction into the air intake system. HHO systems are not allowed in California at this time.
The units work very well, MPG improvements are averaging 40% on installed units, nearly complete emission reductions and in some cases, total reduction, exhaust discharge is warm clean smelling air.
Often persons that do not understand the revolutionary design and technology involved assume the worst. We have a very unique and efficient system that is designed to clean the air of pollutants and toxins that are hurting the environment and even killing people. (LA Times).
It is time for the world to wake up before it is too late.
Every claim made by the HH2 company can be backed up by positive results, and for the lazy persons who cannot or won't even try to really look at the products, we will be very happy to invite them to visit and see for themselves the real differences in the product that REALLY does what we say.
Visit the website and file your info and negative comments on the information page and we will email you positive results.
Derek 10:08AM (12/03/2008)
Our product is HH2 Hydrogen clean air combustion system.
It is also not an explosive HHO or Browns Gas Bomb, our technology separately produces Oxygen and Hydrogen and the Hydrogen only is put into the vehicle, we can add the oxygen separately if the user requires extra boosting performance.
gorr 5:39PM (11/21/2008)
@ goodcheer
'When it is a gas it's called water vapor.'
Please stop writing falsity, especially when it's a conter-argue something like this. Water become vapor when it's heated hot and is called water vapor. A child of 5-6 y.old can understand that if he not listening a fool that say that what he know is not true like 50% of chatters automatically do here each day.
When water is electrolysed it become different chimically and it's not water, it's an explosive gas like the one that propel upward the space shuttle.
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Derek 10:09AM (12/03/2008)
Our product is HH2 Hydrogen clean air combustion system.
It is also not an explosive HHO or Browns Gas Bomb, our technology separately produces Oxygen and Hydrogen and the Hydrogen only is put into the vehicle, we can add the oxygen separately if the user requires extra boosting performance.
Our systems do not produce water, the gases are real and the results are spectacular.
We can prove our claims to the uninformed writers.
Tim 8:55AM (11/22/2008)
I used to inject water into my '74 Dodge Maxivan 360 to cool the charge. This WORKED to eliminate knocking and greatly increase power, but I believe that this was due to the cooler thus denser fuel/air mixture in the cylinder at detonation.
If these HHO systems do the same thing while adding a little more H2 to the mix, why not? It's NOT over-unity, just greater efficiency. Kind of like a fuel additive.
Now, if they COULD run the car ONLY on HHO electrolyzed from water, THAT would be something. Hey, look at all the pretty pink elephants flying around the room....
wwwooooowwww.
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Derek 1:33PM (12/01/2008)
Our product is HH2 Hydrogen clean air combustion system.
It is also not an explosive HHO or Browns Gas Bomb, our technology separately produces Oxygen and Hydrogen and the Hydrogen only is put into the vehicle, we can add the oxygen separately if the user requires extra boosting performance.
A.H. 8:50PM (12/09/2008)
From high school chemistry class. One can separate Hydrogen from Oxygen by electrolysis. Two electrodes and some baking soda on clean water. Hydrogen is generated on the cathode (-ve electrode) and oxygen is gathered (or generated) on the anode (+ve electrode) the amount of gases produced are relative to the surface area of each of the electrodes and the voltage/amperage between them. Then one can burn the hydrogen and the oxygen helps the burn. If it is HHO that means the the system has one exit point for the two gases, which means that the fuel (hydrogen) and the helper gas 9oxgyen are together as they travel through the piping to the combustion chamber (dangerous bu can be controlled by the type of tubing used (electrically insulated metal wire impregnated tygon tubing can be good here) and a backfire insulator at the tubing exit can insure that there is no danger (remember that normal engine gasoline (resided in the tank normally situated under the back trunk) is pumped all the way to the front in tubing and metal piping and it is also flammable. Or one can separate the oxygen and hydrogen gases from the reaction chamber by siply separating two collection chambers and hydraulically connected in a manner that traps the electrode collected gases (we used to do this in a high school lab). The question is, how sensitive the cars EFI control unit or ECU (Engine control unit) closed loop control system (which uses the oxygen sensors on various parts of the cars exhaust system and in some other cars also in the intake manifold) to the change in burn gases oxygen content to adapt the normal gasoline injection to that? and of course, the hydrogen generator has a continuous hydrogen and oxygen generated volume (since the amperage and the electrode surface areas are constant) would eventually deliver some burned gasoline to have some cost savings, I would say that the system would have peak effectiveness when the engine is idling since it would not be able to produce more hydrogen when engine demand for fuel increases so its contribution percentage (volume wise to burned fuel) would be less. I would be interested to see a hydrogen generator that can adapt its generated hydrogen/Oxygen (HH2) or HHO to various road driving conditions 9varying the amperage and/or varying the electrode surface areas.
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Babaluto 7:20PM (3/29/2009)
Sooo what happens when it gets cold out, like below 32f??
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