Yes, exactly, gorr. It's all a conspiracy to steal your collection of Star Wars action figures.

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It's me that have started this trend of ordering in advance through internet blogs, to order the car that fit your needs. Look at the market since the last 5 years, Consumers have adopted my trends, have rejected normal gasoline/diesel fuel burning pumping conventionnal polluting and limp cars like porsches, vipers, ferraris, corvettes, malibu, dodge rams, etc.

Actual producers of cars have gathered behind secrets banking system gimmicks of subsidies and regulations to fool the consumers and sell inneficient and costly sh*t cars and consumers have stop their expenditures at the dealership but are robs with their taxmoney bills.

New start-up compagnies have been bought by the same system and consumers don't want their faulty products.

Tons of madscientists and bloggers and journalists have been hired by goverments to spread all kind of fears abouth cars including real alternative cars.

Just me and tons of potential consumers are waiting for a water-powered car to go see in dealership soon.

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Direct-ethanol fuel cells (as I mentioned below) tackle your distribution (both storage and infrastructure) issue well.

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"Producing the cars is easy. Relatively speaking. Solving the hydrogen distribution system is very, very difficult."

Mostly it is an issue of locating refueling stations and the capital investment that this involves. If the Fed is serious then they can always offer tax credits for building these stations.

"We already have an electrical distribution system that works moderately well. Beefing that up while maintaining a smaller, more consolidated gas/diesel (ie: standard pressure liquid) distribution system for long hauls is far, far easier than creating a completely new system (whether we're talking about changing out battery packs or distributing hydrogen)."

I'm skeptical that the power grid can be beefed up to handle a massive increase in the number of plug in cars, especially in light of the fact that these cars will not be distributed uniformly but will be concentrated in areas where there are lots of rich people. I can easily see the power grid in Hollywood/Santa Monica having regular brown outs.

You can generate hydrogen on site using electrolysis (high school chemistry) in the off peak hours, you don't need to ship hydrogen around in tankers. I don't know what is going to be cheaper when mass produced: plug in drive trains (large battery + internal combustion motor) or fuel cell vehicles (fuel cell + hydrogen container + small battery). I find it telling that both Honda and Toyota are dedicated to fuel cells even thought they are both undisputed leaders in hybrid cars.

"Remember that there are currently around 130,000 gas stations in the country; if we don't reduce the need for them, we're talking about converting them all. And that's a lot of work!"

You'd never sell hydrogen and gas at the same station. There are too many environmental hoops to jump through to build a gas station, hydrogen stations will probably be much cheaper to build and who wants to be reminded of gasoline when they go to fill up their tank with hydrogen? Also you don't need 130,000 gas stations to meet demand, you may have noticed that many gas stations have another gas station across the street.

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CARB still gives more credit to fuel-cell vehicles than pure EVs.

And the cheapest source of hydrogen for vehicles remains natural gas.

Plenty of CO2 is released in that process.

Even then, the hydrogen produced is very expensive ($8-$10/gallon of gasoline equivalent)

To be burned in 40% efficient fuel cells (no better than a gas-electric hybrid)

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Bill has got it. The only reason why Toyota is even considering moving up production is to take advantage of that blatant CARB bias in favor of H2.

I'm guessing they will do like Honda, make a handful of H2FC vehicles one at a time (series production), and lease them to a few L.A. celebrities for the publicity.

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If they can't justify the additional cost of hybridizing an Accord or Camry, how could they possibly justify the much higher cost of H2 storage and the absurdly high cost of H2 fuel cells, especially when the per mile fuel cost is higher for H2?

I suspect that the H2FC programs will be cancelled once the subsidies run out and plug-ins take off.

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Seriously? You are saying that Toyota and Honda are still developing hydrogen because they are in league with the oil industry? Do you know how paranoid and stupid that sounds? Oil only goes away with battery only cars or hydrogen fuel cell cars. Plug in hybrids use gasoline (if they don't burn the gas it will become unusable and ruin your car).

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You make no sense, so I won't even argue. I'll stand by my comment. Oil has an interest in hydrogen and it would make sense for them to finance research programs, an there is no one better to conduct said programs than the people who actually make cars. Finally, I doubt Toyota, or any care maker, are in the business of turning money away.

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