2008 Jetta diesel will be the first to be sold in all 50 states since '99
I won't go in depth telling you all the specifications of the new diesel engine that is going into various VW's with the TDI moniker starting early in 2008, if you are interested in knowing more about them, click here. What I will mention is that these vehicles will mark the first Jetta's sold with diesel engines in all 50 states since '99. And it will be available in a wagon body style! Woo hoo! Could these vehicles be exactly what the middle-class green market is looking for? Could be, and I am looking forward to seeing how they drive. Stay tuned!
[Source: Autoblog]
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Vinnie 10:26PM (1/30/2008)
I am looking forward to the new Jetta but the unfortunate thing will be that it will only use low sulfur diesel. I have been told that biodiesel will not work in it as well as untaxed high sulfur fuels. Part of the idea is thatr you become tied to the commercial fuel pipeline. Too bad we can't get the Polo here ...70+ mpg and thats now! I have a 2002 and I would like to TRADE up but I will wait and buy so I have the options of alternative fuels
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Tom Szczur 11:26PM (4/08/2008)
Just to clarify some things for everyone:
1. A DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) has nothing to do with reducing Nox, it is used to trap the particulate matter left over from combustion.
2. Nox gases are reduced by the inert gas (exhaust gas) that is introduced into the air intake by the egr system and is further reduced by a DOC (Diesel Oxidation Catylyst) or as VW is calling it, selective catalytic converter.
3. The new TDI will use both converters either seperately or combined in one housing to lower Nox and trap particulate. As the DPF gets full of particulate, the engine will be programmed to increase exhaust temp high enough to burn the particulate out of the DPF and turn it to ash that will collect at the bottom of the converter.
4. The TDI will use, ultra low sulphur fuel, not low sulphur fuel. Ultra low is readily available at most stations although low sulphur can still be purchased. Low sulphur fuel if used will plug the DPF and could cause permanent damage.
5. The new TDI like all new diesels big or small will require a CJ-4 certified low ash oil. Using any other oil will also plug the DPF and posibbly cause damage.
6. Most truck engine manufacturers were hestiant to recommend bio diesel on 2007 and newer engines but have have been testing it. It is likely that a solution will be found to allow the use of bio diesel at some point, just not sure when.
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Garrett 11:08AM (3/22/2008)
2008 Jetta SE Stock# V9844 VIN:3VWRM71K98M113052 (Bill Britt) Price : $ 20,790.00 MPG 29 HWY
2008 Jetta Deisel est. price $26,000.00 est. mpg 49 HWY (send me more accurate numbers if you have them)
Fuel cost to drive 120,000 miles (HWY)@ $3.12 gas, $3.93 D Jetta SE = $12,910.00 Jetta TDI=$9624.00
Cost savings per mile is .02738 so to break even with the $5210.00 added cost to the vehicle you would have to drive 190261 miles. Since I drive cars until they have 300,000 miles on them, I would see a surplus of $3004.00 over the life of the car. What I dont know is what the cost of service is(timing belts and CV joints). I hear the catalyst in the deisel is good for 120000 miles . I dont know if the cars have belts or chains and what the service intervals are. Can you help me with getting some better figures so I can improve (or not) the incentive for people to buy the TDI this summer in my Blog
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CHRIS W. 1:59PM (4/08/2008)
Just have to add my two cents to the thread on the new diesels. First of all it is fantastic that we will have a lot of choice for a new diesel. Personally I will wait for the new Honda Accord diesel. It has received great press in Europe, and they know their diesels. VW has been wallowing at the bottom of reliability ratings for quite some time now and I would hesitate to try anything new from them, until its proven. As the owner of a 2001 TDI I can say from experience VW has a way to go before I would consider another. Honda on the other hand owns the top of the reliability ratings. So from where I sit its a pretty easy choice. Don't forget BMW and MINI not to mention Nissan will be offering diesels soon as well. N. America should love the diesels with all that torque low down! And then there's the Eco rebates!
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mike 7:53AM (5/06/2008)
For all those honda accord diesel proponents, don't forget that the federal tax rebate has already expired for honda. Thus, the VW will be $2000-3000 cheaper right off the bat. Then factor in the fact that the VW will sell for about $3000 cheaper, and you will have to ask yourself if the Honda is worth a $6000 price difference.
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Karkus 1:33PM (5/09/2007)
It's great to see WV plans to bring a wagon over here too. It would be a high MPG option for the crowd that currently buys Subaru wagons like the Impreza or Outback (although the Jetta is just FWD).
However, the 40/60 mpg numbers listed in the link must be way off. 60 is what the much smaller Polo Bluemotion is rated for, and it has a much smaller engine and lower weight. Based on very similar VWs currently sold in Europe, the MPG (US) should be around 40.
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BeetleGo 8:50AM (5/10/2007)
1999? I don't think so. Try 2004.
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PK 1:24PM (5/10/2007)
Will I be able to refill the urea tank myself?
- Or do I have to keep paying some studly VW diesel technician to 'whip it out' and service me? -
- Eh, no thanks, I'll wait for Honda's superior plasma reactor diesel to debut in the US...No watersports required.
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66coronet 8:50PM (5/10/2007)
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/08/diesel-vw-jetta-sportwagen-a-real-fuel-sipper/
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stuart parker 5:16AM (5/18/2007)
It certainly is great that VW plan to bring this car to the USA, about time amercians accepted diesel.
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rick bisacciaa 11:32PM (6/09/2007)
does any one know how much the jetta deisel will cost and if it comes in a station wagon model? I think the technology is great, but do not agree that these types of cars should cost $30,000 and up.
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Joe Cool 3:54AM (6/15/2007)
Just a few things...first of all my wife drives a 2006 Jetta TDI, and it gets real world mileage of 42-46 city, 48-53 hwy...and once on a 53 mile trip home going down some mountains in the beginning, we got 67.7 mpg. The new 2008 Jetta's will have common rail instead of pump deuse, and will get better mileage because of this...along with 40 more hp. So please don't knock these vehicles if you don't have one or have had one...they are simply awesome! The 08's will be even better. We run both her Jetta TDI, and my 2005 Passat TDI on B100 (neat) BioDiesel that I make myself for about $1.50 a gallon...been doing so for about 2 years now all together, never had one single problem...period. I can't remember the last time we even went to a service station :-)
One other thing, the new Jetta's will not have urea injection, the engine is small enough to simply put a particulate filter on it to reduce NOX emissions by 90-95%.
Have heard the price tag is going to be $25-29K depending on options...which isn't bad at all.
We love our cars, we hope everyone else will find out how awesome VW's diesel's are...
Wishing everyone the very best
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Hood72 9:23AM (6/26/2007)
Well the size of the engine/car does not matter about having a particulate filter. I think its just manufacturers preference. In the big 3's 3/4 ton plus trucks they are all using traps. I had a 04 jetta pd tdi and loved it. If you want to see how this new technology can go wrong search for 2008 Super Duty, they had problems with the trap igniting and then just...self sustaining and would shoot flames out the exhaust for 2-3 feet. To me that just show why you should not buy the first year of anything new.
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Doug 11:29PM (7/22/2007)
Does anyonr know if VW plans to sell the Passat Wagon with the TDI in the States? If so,, when?
The Jetta sport waqgon is a bit too small for the family.
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gcorti 1:34PM (8/31/2007)
I have read your comments and I just want to clarify that the new VW technology DOES NOT USE UREA TRAPS. The NOx gases are treated in a new selective catalytic converter developed by VW, Audi and Mercedez. It is stimated that you do not need to do any replacement of it for 120Kmiles. This is on top of the particulate filter. (see http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/sedans/0708_volkswagen_jetta_clean_diesel/)
Regarding to the fuel consumption, the Polo blue Motion is rated at 62mpg (in europe, which means a combined cycle){see http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=116314}. therefore you can estimate it to be 50-55city 65-70hw. Now the 2008 jetta to be rated at 40city and 60hw it is acceptable as an estimated, the car is still waiting to be EPA rated. For the SUBARU lovers, in europe VW has the quattro version of the Jettas a much sophisticated and with lower fuel consumption than Subarus.
Best regards
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eric42001 5:27PM (9/13/2007)
I work for a VW dealership. As of right now, the new diesel will only be seen in the Jetta and Jetta SportWagon. We haven't heard anything about it being released in anything other than that for 2008. We are hoping that they will drop it in the rabbit, beetle, and passat...maybe even a convertible beetle. Some people are thinking about going with the new honda diesel. Well, VW has been producing diesels for a long time and they are more dependable than most cars on the road. Just be patient if you are in the market right now for a diesel...the wait will be well worth it.
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dû 8:31PM (9/17/2007)
What a car this Jetta TDI will be! I drove a European model recently: it moves with great authority on European roads and autoroutes: Suddenly you'll find yourselves driving faster than most anyone else, it just happens.... acceleration is exceptional, top speed is over 130 mph, and this from this small 2 liter engine! Fuel consumption is low-low-low! The 6 speed DSL transmission combined with that little Diesel creates the impression, you are driving a steam locomotive.
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toohoarse 10:36PM (1/07/2008)
Just waiting for the 2008 TDI Jetta, I love to make my own fuel and take long trips some day. We need this for our envirnment too. (Less fuel use = less fuel production = Less refinery pollution = clean skies?)
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