I have come to think that GM really do have some really smart people managing the company. This latest big push of huge hybrid FUVs and pick-em-up trucks lets them have their cake and eat it too:

-They get to look (a bit) green.
-They perpetuate the foolishness that you need at 3-4 ton vehicle to drive to the grocery store when gas prices might otherwise help people to see the light.
-They will probably improve sales of these high-markup vehicles.
-They probably cannibalize sales of their own an others' tighter margin mid-sized FUVs and trucks that don't have hybrid options (is the Vue the only hybrid mid-size?).
-They save on development costs by putting the same old 6-l engine in (6 liters! All the motors of all the vehicles I've ever owned don't add up to 6 liters!)

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GoodCheer,

You might want to consider that not all trucks are used for grocery shopping. Most in fact are work vehicles (maybe not always, but at least partially.) This is a huge move forward because these trucks by definition tend to drive a lot more miles than a commuter car. Much of the driving is in city environment at lower speeds. This vehicle allows for a 40% improvement in milage during the most common application.

GM really does have a lot of smart people who are doing some great things to improve the environment and reduce oil dependance (check out GM-Volt.com). I would argue that GM is doing more than any other car maker at this moment. Where is the indignation towards Toyota for introducing the largest, most inefficient pick-em-up in the full size catagory? Why critisize GM for having the best as opposed to the other companies that have the worst? This new truck will be more than 50% more efficient than it's Toyota rival.

That's real progress!

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" I would argue that GM is doing more than any other car maker at this moment"

Agreed, to say otherwise is just foolish and ignorant.

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Somebody wake me when you can find these (or any of the two-mode REAL hybrids from GMC) at dealer lots for sale. Until then, I'm tired of reading about every body panel change on the BAS models and the promises about two-mode.

I applaud GMC for their press savvy. By announcing BAS or two-mode, on every variant of every body style across every nameplate, one at a time instead of as a group, they get exponential press and look greener while not actually putting very much fuel-efficiency in the customers hands (Let's not discuss that BAS does very little on the other side - reduced emissions).

As far as I know the only green/hybrid GMC product you can go to a dealership and buy/drive today is the Saturn VUE Greenline and it's not even close to being the FE/Emissions leader in it's own category (small SUV).

I'll be glad when all these promised vehicles actually hit the road. Until the, ZZZzzzzzZZzzzz.

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Yes, I am full of vitriol, some of which may be unjustified. The fact that I posted under a pickup was bad timing on my part; most of my ire is directed towards FUVs.

But while we're at it, I would like to see the breakdown of the fraction of pickups that actually are "work trucks", and 3 days a year does not count. Where I live it seems like about 20% of the vehicles on the road are pickups, and I know darn well that nowhere near 20% of drivers are trades-people. The pickups I see almost uniformly have nothing in their beds, bed-boxes are rare, and trailer hitches aren't even all that common, even though I live near the shore and plenty of people have boats (I have a hitch on my Civic).

As for Toyota, I am irate that they would put out something as crappy as the Tundra, and that they have been dragging their feet on expanding their hybrid line. Wasn't it about 6 years ago that I heard they were planning to have a hybrid option in every model in their line? WTF Toyota, you were the green $hit 4 years ago. Tell me you're not getting fat and lazy and resting on your laurels.
I really think we should be seeing more progress than we are by now.

And Honda.... where's the love? If there were a choice I would refuse to buy from any of the companies that had EVs and joined the law suit against CARB, but there aren't really a lot of options.


And yes, GM is doing more than most car makers at this point, but the majority of their efforts are in big trucks, which is why I think they will be disproportionately increasing the sales of these big trucks, maximizing GMs margins, and encouraging people who think that they can commute 30 miles into the city in a Tahoe and call themselves green. Really, it's very cleaver.

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Good Cheer,

I understand your frustration -- I'm getting impatient too. But here's the deal -- GM has adopted a philosophy of adapting the Hybrid option to the cars or trucks that will produce the largest bang for the consumers buck. It really does take a year or two to make a drivetrane change and having developed the duel-mode, they intend to introduce it on 16 additional vehicles over the next 3 years. That's a lot of expense and a lot of tooling, training, ect.

The reason they are applying the duel mode to the largest vehicles first is that it will save the most fuel. They can only produce a finite amount at this time -- they are limited by battery supply as well as other considerations. They do not anticipate that hybrids will increase the sales of an existing vehicle line dramatically. In other words, they do not intend for a civic owner to buy a Yukon as the result of the hybridization. Instead, they expect a Yukon owner to buy a hybrid Yukon, or better yet for GM, an Expidition owner to buy a Yukon.

If you had only a limited number of vehicles that you could hybridize (while you're waiting on battery factorys to be built) it makes sense to hybrid the vehicle that consumes the most fuel. If a Yukon burns 1000 gallons each year and a Cobalt burns 500, we (society) benefit by saving 40% of the 1000 instead of 40% of the 500. Additionally, the duel-mode option is at least $4,000. That's 33% of the cost of a Cobalt, but it's only 8% of the cost of a Yukon. Meanwhile, small Hybrids are offered by both Toyota and Honda and Saturn so the consumer remains served. And hopefully there will be much more to follow. Honda has a hybrid FIT comming -- it should be superb.

I intend to drive a reasonably large car for the remainder of my life. It is my hope that I will be able to get one that gives me 100 mpg (my current Aura is nice size and gets 37.7) This will only happen when the Volt technology is introduced allowing 40 electric miles. At that point, size becomes of little importance related to efficiency.

Chris,

Hybrids are available through GM, but you have to schedule a test drive because they are sold on the first test drive each time they get one in. I waited a month to find a Saturn Aura Green and when I finally found one, I drove it for 10 minutes and bought it -- nobody else ever even got to look at it. It's going to be this way for a while -- a long while I hope because that will cause development of additional models.

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late intake valve closing (LIVC) technology? Sounds like the Atkinson/Miller cycle that Toyota has been using for a decade. Hmm, so does the "Electrically Variable Transmission (EVT)", the electronic power steering, and the electrically powered A/C.

Gm is late to the hybrid party, but it is good to know they are finally taking it seriously.

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Wise Golden:
You're getting 37MPG in your Aura? That's awesome. The EPA rating on it seems to be 24 city/34 highway (29 combined?) Please take a look at www.greenhybrid.com. They are always looking for real world feedback (including real hybrid mileage database)on all hybrids. There are also forums for each specif hybrid model where owners can discuss issues, etc. If you're beating EPA by that much I'm sure there are other drivers out there who would love to hear from you.

Back to my original point regarding the level of press GMC gets versus it's actual impact/sales/greenness:

According to the IRS, (http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=175143,00.html)
"GMC sold 123 qualifying vehicles to retail dealers in the quarter ending Sept 30, 2007. This brings the cumulative number of qualified GM hybrid vehicles sold to 9,577." (ever... don't think you get to count EV1 leases)

Don't forget to factor in that BAS/mild hybrids probably account for almost all of those sales so consumers were only seeing 1-2 more MGP and little in reduced emissions.

That's not much green out of GMC so far compared to Toyota (144,000+++), Ford (38,000+), Honda(28,000+), and Nissan's (7800+) retail units sold by the end of the same period. Heck, Nissan only had one hybrid model in 2007 and has almost kept up with GMC's sales ((GMC had 4 "hybrid" models in 2007). With 7 different models already listed for sale in 2008 and more models added every week (day???), their sales numbers just don't warrant the press coverage they get and the green they profess.

Here's a link that will show you what hybrids are listed with the IRS so far. (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/tax_hybrid.shtml)
I'm guessing if you don't see your favorite GMC hybrid model listed, you probably won't see it at a dealership either.

I think two-mode is awesome and so is the Volt, but so far they are not on the road in ANY accountable numbers (none for the Volt, obviously). Just because GMC talks a lot about their greenness, that doesn't put them ahead of the curve or mean that they are doing more. I'd rather see a company like Toyota make a great FE/low emissions car and sell 150,000+, than have a company create 20+ hybrid models that they will sell only a relative few.

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