AltCar 2009: Riding in Green Vehicles' Triac, a prototype that is not quite ready
Triac - Click above for high-res image gallery
The history of the Green Vehicles' Triac is a convoluted one. First surfacing in the summer of 2008, promised delivery dates in November and December 2008 were not kept, but Green Vehicles' Ehab Youssef and his team kept on pushing forward, taking reservations for the $24,995 three-wheeled vehicle. We saw the Triac caged in a booth at the AltCar Expo last year, but were somewhat surprised to find one cruising the parking lot this year as part of the ride and drive. After all this time waiting, we just had to hop in and see what the trike, which uses a 20 kW AC motor and a 160 amp hour lithium battery pack, is capable of. Just like our time in the Coda Sedan, we were not allowed behind the wheel, but our ten minutes in the passenger seat told us all we need to know for now. Read all about it after the jump.
Gallery: AltCar 2009: Triac
Photos copyright ©2009 Sebastian Blanco / Weblogs, Inc.
While the Triac story has evolved over the years, the look of the trike hasn't changed that much. This is still an odd-looking three-wheeled ride. The Triac available for rides was a nice deep red color which we preferred to the silver vehicle that we saw inside. The most noticeable change is that the original Triac's middle-mounted headlight has been removed, leaving two sensible lights on the front. The side mirrors have been moved from the front end to the doors, which was a smart move, and the distracting vents above the hood are also gone. The two-tone color-scheme with the black bottom remains.




On the inside, the Triac felt not quite finished. Lee Colin, VP of business development for Green Vehicles, was our driver around the block and said that we were riding in the prototype model that was used for the first 20 production vehicles. These 20 Triacs were just delivered to the cars' early adopters. The production version will have a little bit less vibration than the shaky prototype, Colin said, because the production versions have another stabilization piece that goes between the transmission and the motor.
The Triac feels bigger on the inside than it looks from the outside but it's still not a spacious vehicle. Two adults are able to sit in the seats without touching shoulders, but just barely. This isn't terrible since, as a three-wheeled vehicle, the Triac is classified as a motorcycle and single drivers can cruise down the commuter lane all alone.


From the driver's seat you can easily keep an eye on three analog gauges – displaying speed, amp hours and the water temperature for the battery cooling system – and a basic touch screen that can display the state of charge of the battery or be used as a battery management system and controller to help train driver behavior. The system tracks how the Triac has been driven over the last seven days and can suggest ways to get the maximum range from the pack. Under the right conditions, the Triac can go "up to 100 miles" on a charge. The screen also doubles as a diagnostic tool and can tell you which battery cell is causing trouble if something goes wrong. The Triac uses 144 volt, lithium-ion 160 amp-hour batteries that can fully recharge in five hours. Colin said that the angled gauge line was designed "to be sexy," but we think each driver will have his or her own take on that. It's unlikely anyone will be buying a Triac for its looks, anyway.
On the road, the Triac retains that "not quite done" vibe. Colin said that Green Vehicles considers work on the Triac finished, but will be listening to the 20 early adopters and possibly make changes to the full production version before those vehicles leave the San Jose assembly facility in about 60 days. On the urban streets – and at city traffic speeds – of Santa Monica, the Triac operated fine, but we don't think it will make a very fun highway experience. Considering the Triac's top speed of 75 mph, this is something we're looking forward to testing out for ourselves in the future.
One thing that seemed to operate well is the Triac's five-speed transmission. What's neat is that there's no need to push in the clutch to shift from gear to gear or when the Triac's regenerative brakes bring the trike to a stop. The Triac can also start moving from a full stop in second gear. Othewise, the gears should be changed at about the same speeds as a standard vehicle (15-20 mph into second, 30-35 mph into third, etc.) What, if anything, the 20 early adopters suggest Green Vehicles should change is unknown at this point, but Colin said that, "Improvement is always something that a car company should be thinking about. We have a very good product at a very good price, but there is always room for improvement."
What is that price? The Triac sells for $24,995. If that sounds reasonable to you for an all-electric, highway-speed motorcycle that's available in 2009, go for it. Just don't expect the Triac to treat you like any other vehicle you're used to. This is a trike built by a start-up, and we'll hold our money until at least the next-generation model to see if Green Vehicles can get it done right.




Green Vehicles also brought their Moose all-electric minivan to Santa Monica. Twenty-two copies of the Moose minivan will be made available in 30 days and are being assembled now in San Jose. The Moose costs $23,995 and is also available without lithium ion batteries – lead acids take their place – for $17,000. With li-ion, the Moose is a highway speed vehicle (this is what we think we heard; we're double-checking this with Green Vehicles). Check it out in the gallery below:
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
GoodCheer 8:04PM (10/07/2009)
"With li-ion, the Moose is a highway speed vehicle."
Does that mean it has passed crash tests? That's quite a big punchline to slip in at the end of the post.
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GoodCheer 8:07PM (10/07/2009)
Also, $25k for a 23 kWh battery is nothing to sneeze at, never mind that you get the rest of the vehicle with it.
I assume that means it uses commodity-grade LiIon, Cobalt-Graphite 18650s?
jake 10:59PM (10/07/2009)
@GoodCheer
I'm thinking more like Thundersky LFP cells. For Thundersky cells, you can find them under $500/kWh (less if you buy in bulk). For 18650, they have to deal with a lot harder balancing and they also have to find a decent supplier. You can still find them under $500/kWh even without bulk, but it is a lot more hassle (esp the safety issues).
Sebastian 12:05AM (10/08/2009)
You're right. I'm going to have to amend the post to reflect that this is what they told me. Haven't confirmed anything here.
3n1gma 8:55PM (10/07/2009)
Who would drive that thing is the real question (besides meter maids). Not to mention it tipping over around the first corner.
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oobflyer 12:59AM (10/08/2009)
Ehab Youssef said on an episode of the EVcast that the Moose is a freeway vehicle - they were able to get around the crash-testing requirement by selling it as a 'kit'. However, they make all of the arrangements to help you with the assembly - cool, eh?
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Thunderbuck 7:54AM (10/08/2009)
I guess, until somebody hits you.
On one hand, okay maybe we need to relax some rules just to get this industry up and running, but geez, driving a funky little fibreglass van (with the added momentum of a battery pack--sure, THAT will help in a collision) on a freeway just seems to be BEGGING for trouble.
Inner-city delivery/shuttle? Now THAT might be a cool application.
Dolphyn 2:16AM (10/08/2009)
The phrases "about 60 days" and "available in 30 days" should be taken with some large grains of salt, given that this company was promising "only 60 days away" more than a year ago.
http://green.autoblog.com/2008/05/13/triac-to-arrive-this-july-reservations-being-accepted-and-othe/
I wish them well, but I'll believe it when I see it!
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jetjaguar 9:45AM (10/08/2009)
This company has been very frustrating. At first, I was very excited about its price (I think it started at $21k, or less), and I actually like the design (even when it had 3 headlamps), but how can a startup company like this think it can get away with rarely updating its website? There is absolutely no reason why that site isn't chocked full of videos, interviews, and explanations about all of the setbacks they've been having. I remember posting a question on their youtube channel several months ago asking about timeframes... and they deleted it. They just seem shady at this point, I wouldn't trust them despite the fact that I want to buy an electric car anyway I can, as soon as I can.
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Tim 9:50AM (10/08/2009)
And don't spare the UGLY STICK!
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Rich 10:08AM (10/08/2009)
What happened to the mudguard on the rear wheel? Is that legal? Surely wheels can't just stick out uncovered like that.
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GoodCheer 10:36AM (10/08/2009)
I think the fact that the tail of the body sticks out as far as the wheel satisfies the letter of the law. The 2' gap between the wheel and the 'fender' is not a parameter that is legislated (yet). Look at some "dual-sport" motorcycles for comparison
http://images.google.com/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hl=en&source=hp&q=dual-sport&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
GoodCheer 10:38AM (10/08/2009)
... that being said, I'd much rather have a closer-fitting fender to keep the body and the rear suspension components clean.
Rich 12:36PM (10/08/2009)
Hm. It's not just keeping your own vehicle clean -- it's about kicking up spray and debris.
Dolphyn 3:03PM (10/08/2009)
Some photos show a mudguard, so this is probably a non-issue.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BjrEbM6EX1g/Sm3rhrWH4pI/AAAAAAAAAA0/-sR6ajeOmV4/s1600-h/TRIAC_3.jpg
Rich 3:05PM (10/08/2009)
Sweet! Thanks Dolphyn. It actually makes it look more finished.
KK 11:18AM (10/08/2009)
The design is starting to grow on me. The only thing I don't like is the exposed rear wheel - I suspect it's a misguided attempt to make it look "sporty" - I can't think of any other reason for it.
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John K 12:07PM (10/08/2009)
There is a guy that is updating on his experience waiting for the Triac. From his photos, it looks like the back wheel is getting a fender of sorts. However, it does sound like he will get one eventually.
http://mytriacrocks.blogspot.com/
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jolaszek 12:19PM (10/08/2009)
What drives me nuts is, none of the press relating to the Triac tells me which end is driven. At this level, I guess it really doesn't make much of a difference, but I loathe front wheel drive. This is the closest I've gotten to an answer--one look at the rear wheel shows that it doesn't have the infrastructure for drive components--unless a driveshaft is running down that big tube.
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KK 3:23PM (10/08/2009)
What's wrong with FWD?
I'd hope it's FWD with both front wheels driven. RWD would mean 1-wheel drive, which may have traction problems in certain situations.